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"That's why I'm an atheist not an agnostic..."
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January 8th, 2009 at 05:00:01 If He was visible to the eye, and perceivable to the senses, He would have resembled the things that are visible and perceivable to the senses on account of their being compound, measured and created, and in that case He would no longer have remained a creator.
January 8th, 2009 at 05:23:00 nor can He be said to bear any resemblance to anything which has to undergo an ordeal of change and decay. For, everything is under the one and the same law-the law of transformation and decline. God, our creator cannot be perceivable by the five senses for, He is not a thing-which is compound elements etc or created. cont...
January 8th, 2009 at 05:45:59 "measure it and try to understand all the details we see there is no god there" "measure" Things are compound elements etc, made of parts which can be *measure*. Every compound elements etc possesses shape and colour that attracts the senses. Therefore, that which is felt or known by the senses, having shape and colour, cannot be God. Your argument for disbelief is foolish, because God cannot be like any of the things perceived by the senses, cont...
January 8th, 2009 at 06:08:58 Those are actions of the body, not the senses. The mind is indeed in control of the body, but not the senses. You could say the mind is a blind king. It has domain over the body, but relies on the the senses to advise it what to do. It's the senses that tell the mind of the pain. And only in response to that does the mind command the body to stop. When the mind goes out of order, the senses can still be functioning correctly. But the mind doesn't understand them correctly anymore.
January 8th, 2009 at 06:31:57 Can you not see now that it is the mind that sees all these things, remembering (in a dreaming state) when all the senses have ceased working? Don't you know that the mind has been endowed with reason, by means of which God establishes His proof?
January 8th, 2009 at 06:54:56 the body can not advance and vice-versa. It is only through its medium the senses work. They are obedient to its orders. If the mind prohibits them to act, they at once obey its command. It is the mind on which sorrows prey, and joys enliven. Despite the loss or derangement of the senses, the mind remains intact. But if the mind gets out of order the senses share the same fate, the eyes do not see properly, the ears do not understand....etc
January 8th, 2009 at 07:17:55 A man of reason must believe that the mind is the king, and prime administrator of the senses. However foolish he may be, he cannot be ignorant of the fact that the hand cannot extract the eye, nor amputate the tongue, nor can have any senses any power to deal with any part of the body without its permission, suggestion and contrivance. God has created the mind to be the regent of the body, and the body can only feel, see or hear, through its agency. If the mind conceives retreat, cont..
January 8th, 2009 at 07:40:54 But we can't know what is REAL and what is IMAGINATION unless we compare what the mind "sees" to what our senses (and the tools we build to extend them) tell us. The mind can THINK god exists. But when we look at the world, measure it and try to understand all the details, we see there is no god there. And we know he is not REAL. Just like when we wake up after such a dream and see there is no woman lying beside us, we know it was NOT REAL, but only a DREAM.
January 8th, 2009 at 08:03:53 You're talking about a wet dream. Ejaculation is a reaction of the body, which in turn can be controlled by the brain. Just like on a warm day, we can think about being cold and make the body get goosebumps. That doesn't mean it REALLY is cold, just that our mind THINKS it is. Likewise, the mind can convince itself that god exists and "feel" the presence of god because of it. That doesn't mean god really exists. Just that the mind THINKS he does. I'm not denying the mind has this capability.
January 8th, 2009 at 08:26:52 and that they are the SENSES ONLY which comprehend all these things? Will you tell me who when the SENSES were out of work gave this power to MIND that has neither ears nor eyes? Because now you admit that it was the MIND that saw the woman and enjoyed the pleasure of her company even though the SENSES were not at work? It is foolish to admit the knowledge of the MIND when the senses are sleeping and to deny it, when the senses are waking.
January 8th, 2009 at 08:49:51 This *refutes* the argument regarding the dream . Because action in the dream leaves behind traces and evidence( SPERM ) to prove the reality of sensation. The same things that your SENSES in a state of wakefulness have witnessed. when you admit the MIND'S ability to comprehend and identify the things of which the SENSES no longer WORKING have no remembrance. Why did you first assert that the MIND even with the help of the SENSES and in the state of wakefulness has not this power, cont...
January 8th, 2009 at 09:12:50 "Dreams occur in the mind, no physical senses involved" "no physical..." If I give you an example of what you may have enjoyed in a dream, and which may have made you uneasy, will you believe in the reality of dreams? Tell me, have you ever in a dream lived with a woman familiar or unfamiliar? Did you not feel then, exactly the same sensation derived from the satisfaction of carnal appetite in the waking state, and were not the traces and evidence (SPERM ) left the same? cont....
January 8th, 2009 at 09:35:49 Dreams occur in the mind, no physical senses involved. Just memories of sensations you've had put together to form the dream. And I fail to see how any of this has anything to do with a god existing. Are you saying that god exists just because we believe in him? Then no religion is more right than another. And atheists are right in their disbelief because that means gods are just the figments of human imagination and no more than that.
January 8th, 2009 at 09:58:48 You still adhere to your argument in favor of the senses, well, now tell me have you ever experienced a dream in which you were eating something and relishing its pleasant taste and that you are laughing or weeping bitterly, traveling in known or unknown countries, recognizing those countries you had seen or known? Well then, which sense relished the food, recognized the countries known or unknown, through which it traveled? Which sense wept and laughed?
January 8th, 2009 at 10:21:47 Agreed. I've met so many Christians who subscribe to this strange idea that behaving in a kind manner is equivalent to behaving in a "Christian" manner. (In some cases this translates to the idea that only Christians are good people). You don't need religion in order to have morality. One should be able to figure out the difference between right and wrong without religion.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:44:46 thos final words were epic
January 8th, 2009 at 11:07:45 Agnostic is not the mid ground. Agnostic: believing that people cannot know whether something(God in this case) exists. This belief does not mean you can't have an opinion on the subject . Agnostic Theist: believes in God and that people can't know whether God exists. Agnostic Atheist: does not believe in God and that people can't know whether God exists. For lack of evidence I believe that he does not exist and that he cannot be proven without divine intervention so I'm Agnostic Atheist.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:30:44 I AM that I AM.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:53:43 LOL! I agree.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:16:42 interesting. How so? Do you think the existence and nonexistence of a theity are equally probable? Then I'd say you are an agnostic. As more and more probability you ascribe to the nonexistence of an interfering god you are more and more and an atheist.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:39:41 The human psyche seeks to have stability in the world. If the stability is broken, it is hard to cope with this, for example when a loved one dies. The psyche tries to deal with this by imagining the dead person in another form of life, to maintain stability and order, but if we watch the universe closely, we will find that there is no stability or states that last forever - everything changes, all the time. We have to celebrate life while alive, not hoping for an afterlife.
January 8th, 2009 at 13:02:40 The idea of an afterlife just seams so childish when you hear about the grief counseling. These are people who just have such trouble with the fact that someone has died that they begin to deceive themselves that the person actually is just "going somewhere else."
January 8th, 2009 at 13:25:39 Just a comment on the title: Just so everyone is clear Atheism and Agnosticism are not mutually exclusive. For example I am an Agnostic Atheist.
January 8th, 2009 at 13:48:38 Sometimes it rains so continuously that reservoirs, tanks, lanes and rivers overflow, and roads are flooded, and mountains of water seem to stand before the eyes. Sometimes it rains so violently that the ears get deafened with its roar and thunder. With this rain, God revives the dry land, changes its color and clothes it in green verdure, the grass which is the fodder of beasts, begins to spring up.
January 8th, 2009 at 14:11:37 Through its influence, it sometimes rises high and descends low, not letting of course quantity of water, it holds, fall down upon the Earth. When it does, it pours down in showers. Many a time we see it passing overhead covering cities, towns and places without letting even a drop of water fall down. When it has spread over hundreds of miles of land, it begins to rain drop by drop, and sometimes in torrents from the same quantity of water. cont...